The article is in quotes, my responses to Tony Jones, the Post-Modern Progressive Hypocrite, are below the quotes. Please feel free to go to the original post here and leave appropriate comments. I cannot comment on his blog because, besides being a false teacher, Tony cannot handle anyone with a brain that disagrees with his theology.
When I first arrived on the campus of St. Cloud State University in January to teach Introduction to the New Testament, a couple of the students mentioned the preachers who come to campus. It seems that, as a Christian minister myself, they thought I should know how Christians are seen on campus.
Tony, you are about as much a Christian and a minister as I am a hamburger. To be fair, if we must label people, you would be a progressive universalist with a pseudo-Christian framework to your beliefs.
Last Thursday, as class was about to begin, they asked if I’d been around the previous day to see the traveling preachers make their annual appearance. I hadn’t, so one student began showing me photos she’d taken on her phone.
You can imagine my surprise when I recognized one of the preachers: John Chisham, aka, “Pastorboy.”
You can imagine my non-surprise that Tony Jones would be teaching a New Testament class to the itching ears of the student body at SCSU. With their knowledge of real biblical scholarship showing through most clearly in their responses to clear biblical teaching on things like adultery (Jesus says anyone who even looks with lust is guilty of this- like Mr. Jones and his relationship with his now wife Courtney Perry which was, and is currently, a relationship conceived, birthed, and presently living in adultery)
Longtime readers will remember Pastorboy. He used to comment on this blog regularly (he was banned from commenting by me in 2009), and to post about me and others on his various blogs. He allowed me to interview him on video when my book, The New Christians, was coming out. And he was the lone protestor outside of JoPa’s event, Christianity21 – we had 21 women preachers speak at that conference, and he preached 21 sermons on the sidewalk outside (since, of course, women are not capable of preaching the gospel in his twisted theology).
Tony banned me from his blog because, though he crows about his tolerance, he cannot stand someone who stands for the truth of God’s Holy Word. If Tony ever read my blog, he would see that I have a biblical view of women preaching. I labor with some of the most fantastic, loving, and capable female evangelists the world has ever seen- none of whom would ever sit under a woman’s teachings within the church because, despite Tony’s liberal views on the scripture, it clearly teaches women’s roles within the church- and teaching and having authority over men is clearly forbidden. (I think that
Christianity liberalism21 was the same conference where Tony’s loving partner/’pastor’ Doug Pagitt threatened to have Tony’s then wife Julie McMahon removed by the police is she stayed there because, of course, he was still married and carrying on with Courtney Perry)- but that is another story. My own dear mother labors within a church that teaches that women can pastors, and though I disagree with that stance, I still love my mother and many of the faithful missionaries who serve around the world.
Chisham is a Christian and Missionary Alliance (C&MA) pastor in Marshall, Minnesota at River of Life Alliance Church.But he regularly travels to preach his hate-filled “gospel” message at gay pride parades and college campuses. The StarTribune covered him at a gay pride parade here, and when he preached at Mankato State University in 2010, a bunch of students took him up on his invitation for them to come to his church — they came, and stood silently in front of the church bearing signs of their own. Of course, Chisham did not take this in stride but called on the university to sanction the professor who advised them. As you see in the photo above, and the uncropped version below, this year the students at St. Cloud State also fought back against his hate.
I am no longer a minister with the Christian and Missionary Alliance, nor do I work for them. As was explained clearly then, the ministry of the Gospel includes the unfortunate, but very biblical truth that those who are liars, fornicators, sexually immoral people(heterosexual or homosexual) thieves, the greedy etc. will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. The answer is the life changing Gospel that those who trust in Christ will be washed clean, forgiven, and changed into a new creature by the powerful grace of God. The individual student who was invited decided to bring her friends- and when invited in to sit quietly decided instead, at the coaching of Jim Dimock, to stand in the front. The police were called, not by me, but by the YMCA supervisor who thought their behavior was crass and inappropriate.
The photos were taken by Molly English, a student in my class who is double-majoring in Women’s Studies and International Relations. She’s also an atheist who is taking my class on the New Testament. I asked her about the incident, and she wrote the following, which I post here with her permission:
These takes place on a tiny “hill” right outside Atwood between Atwood and Stewart Hall. It’s a huge main point for students to pass by.
Apparently, they stand on a piece of public land that can be rented out, and that’s why the campus cannot do anything about them, unless they “disturb the peace” by using a megaphone or by singling out students (which they do anyways).
Anyways, they are like bugs that crawl out when the sun comes out. I’ve been told that they have been doing this at SCSU for at least 10 years or more? I was also told by my (openly queer) Women’s Studies teacher Beth Berila that they go to several campuses.
Many repeat a common rumor: “They aren’t even pastors. They just say that shit to get people to punch them, and then they sue the university for money. That’s how they keep their livlihood and make an “‘income.’” I personally doubt this.
They are known to single out students. From what I’ve heard, it tends to be women who are pointed out as whores for make-up or low-cut tank top shirts.
Obviously, the other main concern is their direct attack on homosexuality as a sin and in need of repentance. Then comes non-Christian believers = sinners and damned and in need of repentance. Then he speaks of smokers and how he saw the light and was a sinner himself, ect…
As an Atheist, I already am quite aware that I am in the minority and that Christians have more power in this country. So to come to school and be forced to hear and see this shit, it makes me livid and disgusted. I can only imagine it is the same for anyone who is queer or other non-Christians. I just want school to be a safe place where we don’t have to feel this way, not when we have to feel it every other moment of our lives in Minnesota.
At least Molly was fair in her assessment- although not entirely true. We do not single people out. We do not call names. We do indicate that people who claim to be Christians can reveal their true nature by the way that they speak and the way that they dress. Women who dress with low cut shirts, and men who have their pants below their buttocks speak volumes about their heart.
Here is a transcript of the message I preached on the hill when that picture was taken-I do record all of my messages to protect myself and others against false accusations of people like Mr. Jones and others who are tolerant of everyone except those who believe the Bible.
I see many of you in the crowd smoking today, against the rules of St. Cloud State- but I think that rule is pretty intolerant. So smoke them if you have them! But if you look on the sides of the cigarette packs, there is a warning. It says “Surgeon generals warning…Smoking causes emphysema, low birth weight, lung cancer..etc. Yet, I do not think that this warning has ever made you throw your cigarettes away out of anger that the surgeon general is so intolerant in warning you that cigarette smoking is harmful. The apostle Paul and Jesus Christ gave many similar warnings. In Luke 13, Jesus warned “unless you repent you will all likewise perish’ He warned in John 3 that ‘unless you are born again you will not inherit the kingdom of God’ and that those who refuse to believe are under condemnation (judgment) and the wrath of God abides on them to this day. (3:18,36). Paul warned that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of heaven, and he warned us not to be deceived (1 Cor 6:9-10) that thieves, greedy, sexually immoral- heterosexual or homosexual- will not inherit the kingdom of God. He warned that there was no one righteous- no one good- no one that sought after God (Romans 2- quoting Ps 14) I am here to warn you today- from scripture- that it is appointed unto man one to die and after this comes judgment (Heb 9:27) and you will be judged based upon your goodness- your moral perfection. So if you have lied- God’s word says he hates liars (Proverbs 6 Psalm 5) that lying lips are an abomination (Pr 12:22) and that liars will end up in the lake of fire (Rev 21:8) If you have stolen, ever in your life- you will not inherit the kingdom of God. No blasphemer, idolater, or adulterer- Jesus said that if you even look with lust you are considered an adulterer at heart-and no adulterer will inherit the kingdom of God. You see, God does not wink an eye at sin- he knows and will judge every thought, intent, motive, action. Every word you speak you will give an account for on the day of judgment. We- you, me, the pope, your imam, your philosophy professor- we all deserve Hell for transgressing even one of God’s holy laws. You see how seriously God hates sin- but at the same time loves humanity- at the cross. Jesus Christ, fully God, was incarnated- that is- he took on flesh and dwelt among us. He walked on this earth, made in every way such as we are, yet without sin. He came to seek and to save the lost. His plan- God’s plan- was for Christ to lay down His own life as a substitution. The Bible says it like this- God made Him who knew no sin (Jesus) to be made sin (treated as though He sinned) so that we could be made God’s righteousness in Him. In other words, on the cross Jesus took the punishment that we deserved- God poured out His wrath on His beloved Son and He died- for three days he sojourned in the tomb- and on the third day He rose again. Mohammad is still in the grave- every religious leader before and since has not conquered death, but Jesus did because He is God. On the cross, God demonstrated His hatred towards sin, and His love towards sinners. If you will repent, if you will turn aside from your sin and turn to Christ alone for salvation, He will save you. It will not be because of works of righteousness, or because of religion, but because of God’s mercy that He will save you. But Jesus is the only way. There is no other way- there is not other truth, and there is no other source of eternal life. Jesus said you must be born again. It is an invitation to life or condemnation to death. Repent and believe in the Gospel. Thanks for listening.
So, why post about this? Why bring more notice to this hate-monger who misunderstands the gospel?Because his hate must be be countered with love and respect. His bad version of the gospel must be countered with a better version of the gospel.
Yep- thats what those signs were- a loving representation of Tony’s Gospel.
Because when we crawls out from under his rock to preach hate and judgment, many undergrads are pushed one step closer to forsaking the Christian faith altogether.
They are already running as far away from it as they can- anybody taking your NT class will not hear anything close to the Gospel. It is a damning lie- and full of hate speech. Tony hates homosexuals so much that he gives them false assurance that their sinful lifestyle is a-ok with God. On the day of judgment, they will curse you with God, Tony Jones. Their blood is on your hands. You have the word of life, but in your adulterous hateful gospel, you will not warn the sinner to repent and believe in their only hope- Jesus Christ. Tony hates Atheists so much that, while he gives kudos to Molly English, he apparently cares nothing for her soul. Apparently, she has spent the whole semester in his New Testament class without ever hearing or believing the Gospel!
Kudos to the students who protested Pastorboy’s preaching, and kudos to Ms. English for writing to me about how it feels to be an atheist and a GLBT ally when these idiots come to campus
I give kudos to Miss English- she was fair at least. I pray that she will have the wherewithal to engage in discussion with me. I am always willing to hang out and speak with students. It is the highlight of my days of ministry on the campus.
.And to those of us with a better version of the gospel than Pastorboy, let’s figure out ways to counter their hate.
Your better gospel is a damnable heresy. I pray that you will repent and believe in the only way, Jesus Christ